Turn up the brightness, babe! In this light-packed episode of The Fully Expressed Podcast, we’re soaking up the brilliance of Jenna Leigh Hoffmann—author, yoga teacher trainer, and the ultimate sunshine whisperer. Jenna’s glow is contagious, and she’s here to help you shine brighter than ever (sunglasses recommended).
From why the sun is basically your BFF to hacks for cloudy days and winter blues, Jenna’s got you covered. We’re spilling all the tea on circadian rhythms, light spectrums, and even foods that keep your inner glow alive. By the end of this episode, you’ll be radiating so much energy, you might just rival the sun itself.
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0:34: Hi guys, welcome back to the fully expressed podcast today.
0:38: We have such an incredible guest.
0:40: A friend of ours.
0:41: We’re so excited about.
0:42: Her name is Jenna Lee Hoffman.
0:44: She wrote an amazing book called Becoming Sunshine.
0:48: She is also a yoga teacher trainer and founder of a state of Sun yoga.
0:53: And yeah, is the author of this amazing book that we’re going to talk about among other things.
0:58: So maybe we talk a little bit and start the episode with how we know you and how we met you.
1:04: Yeah, through friends.
1:06: Yeah.
1:06: So it was so fun because we were just like, literally at one of our friend’s birthday parties, Josh’s Josh churches, which you might eventually get to see on the podcast as well.
1:13: I’m sure, I’m sure.
1:16: And at the, we caught you at the very end of the party, I just remember like connecting with you and then we dropped in and I was like, wait, she seemed so great.
1:24: And then when I got to learn a little bit more about what you’re doing with your book, as well as just the community that you’re building here in San Diego specifically.
1:31: I was like, it was just so fun and I thought you were such a light.
1:34: So I was like, we got to connect with her.
1:35: So she’s literally sunshine and you bring like really good energy.
1:38: So yeah, you’re just like this ray of light walking through a party.
1:41: I’m like, who is she?
1:42: And you had met my husband because you come, you do the yoga, you teach the yoga and Josh, he does is it and where people get together and they do yoga and cold plunging and breath work and all different types of things and networking.
1:58: And Austin just spoke so highly of you before you even knew who you were.
2:01: He was like the woman who taught the yoga was just so just had the best energy and so incredible.
2:06: So, yeah, I was like, that’s her.
2:08: I know, I know that’s So we’re so excited to have you here and then finding out about this book you wrote is just so in alignment of like what we talk about and how to become your fullest expression.
2:19: And the sun plays a very large part of that in our energy.
2:24: Yeah, I think what’s fun about that is like your book is called Becoming Sunshine.
2:28: And in a lot of ways, I think we’re all craving to feel like sunshine, to feel that happiness, to feel that light and that energy.
2:35: But you literally dive deep into the details of what it literally means to become sunshine and the importance of the sun before we get into it.
2:43: I want to know a little bit more about you and your story and how you found the importance of sun.
2:49: Yeah, definitely.
2:50: So it’s been a long journey.
2:52: I feel like becoming sunshine is a constant journey.
2:55: I even had to kind of pack up my book and say, OK, I can’t write anymore.
2:58: I can’t do any more research any of that, but it actually started when I moved to DC.
3:04: So I took a big job for a technology company, was working with the federal government.
3:09: So a lot of time inside which I wasn’t used to.
3:14: I was a endurance athlete.
3:16: I was training probably 6 to 7 hours every single day training in modern Pentathlon before in college.
3:22: So that was kind of my, I have a very eclectic background you will soon learn to hear.
3:27: But now I’ve realized it’s all played at a crucial point in writing this book and just understanding myself and connecting with others.
3:34: So when I moved to DC, I was working there day in day out, very stressful the job.
3:39: But you know, anything worth it takes hard work.
3:42: So that was my mindset.
3:43: But after about 3.5 years of working under fluorescent lights and not having that consistent routine and not seeing the sun and missing every single sunrise and sunset.
3:55: I think it just started to weigh on me and I didn’t know it at the time.
3:59: But when COVID hit, I ended up moving back to Florida to support my family and my grandparents.
4:05: And that was wonderful.
4:06: I got to be with my family all the time.
4:08: But over time, I realized how much I had missed the sun.
4:11: And even though it was COVID time, I’d pop out to get a little bed and then come back in to continue work.
4:17: And then when I realized like I couldn’t go back to DC in no way.
4:20: I wanted to move back there and continue what I was doing, ended up moving to San Diego and I, I didn’t really know much about it, but my dad told me generally you have to visit.
4:31: It’s so similar to Durban, South Africa, which is where I was born, where my parents were born and raised.
4:37: So I said, OK, you know, I’m going to give it a go, it’s much closer than moving back.
4:41: So when I came here, I just kind of realized what life was like and being in an environment that help you to thrive and not just having kind of that consistent day and day out.
4:51: So that’s kind of when the idea came to me when I realized how I was feeling.
4:56: And I asked myself, you know, why was this happening?
4:59: Why was I feeling so great, so much energy, so healthy.
5:04: And we’re so lucky.
5:05: We talk about this a lot.
5:06: It’s like we live in an echo chamber in San Diego a little bit because there’s, you’re just, there’s such an outside culture and it’s sunny most of the year and there’s a huge health and wellness culture here.
5:17: So speak a little bit to like some of the benefits that you saw like one what it was like, maybe look reflecting what you realized in the corporate environment that really impacted your health and then coming here like what that brought to you?
5:29: Yeah, definitely.
5:31: So I think the biggest thing when I was working in corporate, I had no flexibility.
5:35: I couldn’t listen to my body when it needed time to rest.
5:38: I couldn’t go out in the sunshine because I had an obligation to my client or important meetings that were more, you know, top security level clearance had to be inside and not outside walking in the park.
5:49: So I realized that was a big thing, flexibility.
5:52: And then also just like being in tune with the rhythms of nature.
5:56: I feel like San Diego allows you to do that and see that and having so much sunshine constantly, I you can’t not be smiling.
6:05: And so I just had all this energy all the time and making healthy decisions for eating was amazing.
6:12: And having energy to run every single day, like I kind of got back into that endurance athlete mindset that I had lost because I was inspired to, you know, run around the city and it was gloomy and it was windy and I remember I was doing one early morning run and I got hit by a gust of wind between buildings and I was like flying backwards.
6:31: Oh my God, I’ve been one of those.
6:35: She travels to DC a lot.
6:37: I do go to DC a lot and I think what I think DC is a great representation of is the fast paced.
6:42: It’s the go go go energy that maybe you aren’t someone that’s stuck inside all the time.
6:47: But you’re not also giving yourself permission to get as much sunlight as you can like, you know, I know there’s like been moments in my life being younger, I would sleep until 12, especially like high school.
6:59: I mean, I would sit up until super late, sit up until 12.
7:03: I could spend all day inside and I never really felt that connection.
7:07: I mean, I did because I played soccer in different sports but even just the common person can find themselves inside a lot, either just like watching TV, or working on a computer screen.
7:18: So maybe you’re not in a corporate environment.
7:21: I also think about this with like, conferences.
7:23: Like, when I go to, like, really large conferences, whether that is for, for business or for corporate or even for entrepreneurship, like, you know, there’s these conferences rooms and you’re in there for eight hours.
7:34: And I’m like, oh my God, oh my gosh, you can’t focus after you’re just like, zoned out.
7:41: Like, are we done yet?
7:42: And it’s so normal, like, it’s just like a part of our being.
7:45: And I remember like now I like Sprinkle in sun, you know, I’m like our break, I’m going straight outside, you know, whatever that looks like, just so I can get sunlight.
7:52: So I’d love to know a little bit, you know, I want to go two ways.
7:56: One, let’s talk about the importance of the sun.
7:58: And why is it so important for our human body and our biology to be in the sun and get sunlight and you know, there’s different parts of the sun, there’s sunrise, sunset and midday.
8:08: So maybe we can handle those.
8:09: Yes.
8:10: So I want to see where I want to start.
8:12: So the, let’s start from the very beginning.
8:15: So as human beings we evolved with the sun.
8:19: So in, in order to make sense of time and space and when a new day started, the sun was our cue when to rise and when to fall.
8:26: So that’s why our biological functions are so fine tuned with the sun because that’s how we made time of space.
8:32: That’s how we gave meaning.
8:34: That’s also a sense of like tradition and worshiping the sun.
8:37: Because as early humans, we were so much more attached to nature, we felt that energy and that warmth when we rose with the sun.
8:46: it like they thought it was a God, you know, early humans.
8:49: So like worshiping and really putting value on the sun.
8:52: We have lost that in today’s society.
8:55: So that is the most important thing.
8:57: We are biologically fine tuned and we place such an intense value on the sun that we again have lost today.
9:05: So with light and kind of harnessing the power of the sun in today’s world.
9:10: If we are inside a lot of the day, my best recommendation is to try and get that 30 minutes after sunrise and 30 minutes before sunset.
9:20: So that is the most important type of light that is important to get into your eyes.
9:24: So there’s no sunglasses, nothing like that.
9:26: And to feel on your skin, it’s actually what the red light therapy mimics.
9:31: So that’s the most important because it fine tunes your circadian rhythm.
9:34: It gives that little reset to say, hey, it’s a new day, start to wind down and everything in the body starts to kind of create that calmness, that peace.
9:43: So if we kind of rush past at certain times of the day and you know, we’re on our phones and that blue light is our wake up or caffeine, then you know, we’re kind of switching everything, it delays that melatonin production everything.
9:56: So that’s my best advice for the type of light.
10:00: And do you recommend red light for people or clients of yours that can’t maybe access the morning or evening?
10:07: Because I know Corinna uses that sometimes when I go to DC or if you just traveling, I, I love my red light.
10:13: I love my red light so much.
10:14: But I think especially in like not even just like winter, you know, some people right now in rainy seasons, it’s snowing.
10:24: I know you can still get sunlight when it’s snowing so you can talk about that.
10:27: What are some recommendations for people that don’t have access to sun?
10:30: Yeah, I think red light is a great opportunity.
10:33: , just to kind of get that sunlight in the morning and then in the evening because you know, nothing is something is better than nothing.
10:40: And then a lot of people when they it’s a cloudy day, for example, you know, we have June gloom and May gray here in San Diego, it’s still important to get outside during that time.
10:50: And the best thing that I can say is for example, when you’re inside, you have that fluorescent light we talked about and you know why it’s like kind of draining is because it’s a shorter amount of luck.
11:02: So light is kind of measured on lux.
11:05: So the strength and the quality of light so that fluorescent light is only giving you 100 lux.
11:11: Is that like wavelength or is that different?
11:13: Yes, it’s a little bit of wavelength, but it’s kind of quality of light.
11:17: I like sunlight if you’re outside for, you know, 1015 minutes, the human body needs about 200,000 of lux.
11:25: And so, so even when you’re outside in a cloudy day, that equals about still 50,000, you’re still getting that light, you’re still getting the benefits.
11:32: But you know, our fake light, you know, you can’t something that’s in nature.
11:36: We try as much as we can, you can’t recreate it.
11:42: So yeah, that’s why you feel that kind of like lethargy and conferences and inside working in the office, like there’s no quality of that light.
11:51: So there’s all different spectrums of light and there’s all different qualities and you’ll see that throughout different, you know, environments that you’re in.
11:59: But even though it’s not that bright sunshine that you can immediately visibly see and feel stronger, it’s still helping your biological functions even on a cloudy day, I would love your opinion on like, why do we still crave lights like this.
12:13: So like, you know, some people are addicted to their phones, they look at their blue light or they love the screens or they love video games.
12:19: Like what is that kind of light doing to our human biology?
12:22: And why are we choosing that over the sun?
12:25: Well, I think there’s a different component at play here.
12:28: So I think it’s more that dopamine addiction like those video games like getting to the next level like it’s giving you something, you know, on social media or yeah, it’s like that dopamine addiction.
12:40: So I think there’s something else at play and how does it deplete you?
12:43: I know it just not enough locks but how else does it?
12:45: So with the natural sunlight, what’s happening when the rays hit your skin?
12:51: It’s actually producing vitamin D and this is different than vitamin D that you get from food.
12:56: So this helps to like recharge your circadian rhythm.
13:00: It helps to indicate to your gut that, hey, like we’ve, you know, we’re creating green and leptin that also happens when you don’t get enough sleep.
13:07: Those hormones are not created in your stomach.
13:10: So when people are tired or they haven’t got enough sleep or enough sun, they don’t have that indication of, hey, I’m satisfied or hey, I’m hungry, those have not even been created when you don’t have enough sleep.
13:22: So people, they’re looking for energy because they haven’t got sunlight.
13:25: They haven’t got, you know, enough sleep.
13:27: So then they turn to food and normally when you don’t have those two created in your, in your gut and you’re going to turn for the quick energy.
13:34: So carbohydrate in carbs.
13:38: So then you’re looking for all these other sources and you’re never getting satisfied because you don’t have the hormones to be creative, to be satisfied.
13:45: And also it’s not what your body actually wants.
13:48: That makes so much sense.
13:50: Yeah.
13:51: So that’s, that’s one of my biggest advice is in the book too.
13:55: When we’re talking about like nutrition and sleep, even if you don’t get enough sleep, don’t go for the carbs and sugar.
14:01: Like it’s your body trying to get that quick fix.
14:04: And I feel like as humans these days, we always want that immediate gratification that what do you send them to instead?
14:09: More like protein and yeah, and vegetables.
14:12: Something that’s first of all anti-inflammatory because you haven’t got enough sleep or enough sun.
14:17: So like especially my body and I’m genetically disposed to have a little bit more inflammation in my body.
14:23: So anything that’s inflammation reduction.
14:25: So healthy spices, you know, turmeric foods that are like light leafy greens and something that is like more soothing for the gut.
14:33: So, you know, nothing too like acidic.
14:35: That makes sense.
14:36: Yeah, I was gonna ask another question as to like when you were learning about the sun and you’re researching so much about the Sun.
14:42: What was like an interesting fact that you were like, aha moment you’re like, oh, that makes sense or something that, like you didn’t think would make sense.
14:51: , well, there’s so many, but I think I’m gonna actually pull it up in my book because there’s one section when I talk about the, the history of the Sun and it’s what the God Apollo is indicative of the Sun and he has a couple of different meanings and the way that the Egyptians gave meaning to Apollo, it was very interesting because the sun meant two things for them.
15:17: And in today’s world, let me see where it is.
15:22: Yes, Apollo was known as the God of medicine and healing as the God of sun and light.
15:29: His unique combination of qualities, demonstrates our ancestors more intuitive intelligence about more than our modern intelligence.
15:36: So he was looked at as not only the God of medicine and healing, but also the God as sun and light.
15:43: So this is important because when we had the big industrial revolution, we saw so many Children that you know, were struggling with different formations in their their spine.
15:55: So they had soft bones, it was called rickets.
15:57: And the reason being so is because everyone is moving from outside of the countryside into the city, smog, no light, all of that.
16:06: And so a lot of doctors prescript that Children got sun baths on top of the roof.
16:14: So they were moving all the hospital beds.
16:16: And this was found by one doctor actually in the countryside because he said, hey, all these Children who are working on the farms, they’re perfect.
16:23: They have strong bones.
16:24: But all these Children in the city, you know, their spines are deformed.
16:27: They don’t have any energy.
16:29: And so he had this radical idea of putting them on top of the roof to get sun.
16:34: Yeah, that is incredible.
16:37: And they were cured.
16:38: So guess what our answers to new this the God of healing and medicine, the sunlight is medicine.
16:44: And a lot of times we forget the simplest things that are so accessible to everyone that I think is the beauty of the sun is that everyone has access to it.
16:52: You know, it’s no one’s excluded.
16:55: You have to pay for it, you don’t have to pay for it.
16:57: You don’t have to be in this certain area.
17:00: You know, obviously some places have more sunlight than others, but everyone has access.
17:04: And I know you also coach people in like nutrition and food.
17:07: So how does that play a role?
17:08: Because I know we could talk about plants and photosynthesis and like the energy they carry.
17:13: Like how do you guide people who maybe don’t know anything in that arena around food and sun and that like, what’s the connection there?
17:22: Yeah.
17:22: So my biggest advice is trying to cut out as much processed food as possible or hopefully nothing at all and then sourcing food that is as locally grown as possible.
17:32: So you don’t have those preservatives.
17:35: There’s no transportation and you’re also eating seasonally because the biggest thing to like will experience a little bit of seasonal depression as it gets, you know, more winter and fall.
17:44: So syncing up more of the seasons allows your body to also ease into that.
17:48: So the foods that are, you know, in season have the most energy because they’re supposed to be grown at that time.
17:55: So then you can pull different sources of energy from the food in that way.
17:59: And you know, maybe the sun isn’t as strong, so you’re not getting as much energy from there.
18:03: So finding that seasonal, you know, direction with food is great.
18:07: But the biggest thing with my clients is everyone is so different.
18:10: And what I talk about in my book is I’m not saying you need to be a keto or you need to follow the Mediterranean diet or, you know, being vegetarian is the best or being a carnivore is the best.
18:19: I don’t say any of that.
18:20: I just explained the benefits of each and then experiment with them and see what best feels, what’s what feels best for your body.
18:29: So that’s what I’ve experienced, you know, I’ve gone and said, OK, what does it feel like to eat, you know, mostly greens or what does it feel like to eat?
18:35: You know, completely, you know, food from this area, Mediterranean, I’ve tried it all and then a kind of self diagnosing and a little bit and say, how do I feel?
18:44: So generating that deeper level of self awareness, I help to coach my clients on and then, you know, obviously cutting out a lot of like the sugar and processed foods, but everyone’s so different and everyone’s body is gonna respond differently based on your genetics based on, you know, what you’re doing in life.
19:01: So if you are more of an athlete or so it changes from person to person does it also change depending on where you live because I’m wondering like someone that lives in New York that doesn’t get as much sunshine compared to here in San Diego, we get a lot of sun.
19:14: Are there different foods that can support them because they’re receiving less energy from the sun?
19:19: Yeah.
19:19: So like I said, you know, the vitamin D is different from the food versus the sun, but it is great to supplement with, you know, foods that are higher in vitamin D, a little bit more protein.
19:30: There’s omega three.
19:31: So supporting the brain too, getting those key foods like blueberry salmon and key nuts.
19:36: You know, there’s a reason a walnut looks like a brand because it’s supportive of the brain.
19:42: So I think that’s important to tune into those specific foods.
19:45: It’s so good.
19:46: And in your book too, I think you and I may get the percentage wrong.
19:50: But it’s like 60% of Americans are deficient in vitamin D.
19:54: Is it 60 or 70?
19:57: It was a high amount.
19:58: It’s actually 80% because it changes, you know, every day.
20:04: Majority of human beings.
20:06: Yeah.
20:07: Americans and I actually experienced that in the city.
20:10: I became vitamin D deficient.
20:12: I’ve tested, both of us have tested low for vitamin D.
20:14: I’m taking vitamin D right now and I’m in the all the time.
20:17: But something that Nick has taught me and maybe you can confirm that because I have more melatonin melanin in my skin.
20:23: It’s harder for me to actually absorb vitamin D.
20:26: So, like, because I’m darker, which everyone always thinks that because I’m darker and I get more tan, like, you have so much vitamin D, what are you talking about?
20:33: It actually gets in the way of me actually absorbing the vitamin D.
20:35: Is that fair?
20:36: Yes.
20:37: So you actually need longer time in the sun.
20:39: I was just going to ask, like, I, yeah, me too.
20:42: I think I could do that if I could work outside all day.
20:45: Like, at the job I would, yeah, I think, oh, yeah, I mean, I just try to do that now.
20:51: I take my computer and I’m like, I got to work but let me counteract whatever I’m doing here at the same time.
20:57: I can’t wait to invent like a really cool, like, cover of the sun that comes right.
21:03: Through over the computer getting it and my arms are still getting it.
21:08: Lights are outside.
21:10: I know I still doing it for this.
21:11: Like every part of me needs.
21:15: But, yeah, to your point, you know, because I think people that are lighter in skin tone, they actually absorb vitamin D much faster.
21:22: Yeah.
21:22: So for example, someone who has less melon in their skin, I speak about this as well.
21:27: Only about, you know, 30 minutes in the sun.
21:29: You’ll get what you need for vitamin T versus you may need up to 2 to 3 hours prescribed.
21:38: No, which is great because like, so I’ll go to the beach and I’ll be like, I could lay at the beach for like four or five hours.
21:43: I still haven’t received what I need.
21:46: I can sit there for hours.
21:47: Nick’s like, I’m two hours an hour and he’s a little bit lighter than me.
21:50: He definitely gets, he’s probably a little bit more like you, I would say.
21:54: But for me, I’m like, no, babe, can we please stay like two more hours?
21:57: I need.
21:57: Yeah, especially when I’m like rushing or I haven’t grounded or I haven’t received a lot of sunlight.
22:02: I, I just go and sit like a potato and I’m just like, I’m going no serious.
22:08: And you’re right.
22:09: So you have that intuitive intelligence, you know.
22:11: So I think when we’re settled and we’re slowed down, we know the answers to things.
22:15: We know what we need.
22:16: We just have to stop and take a moment to actually listen to our bodies.
22:20: I feel like that’s such a big theme in our, in our podcast guest.
22:24: We’re all kind of coming back.
22:25: I love hearing it in so many different ways from so many different people and perspectives.
22:29: But yeah, it is like about tabby, we’re learning to come back into ourselves even when you’re talking about food and how, ok, maybe for this person, they need more animal protein and this person needs more vegetables or whatever the balance is.
22:42: But I love it.
22:42: Like, the consensus is less sugar, less processed to no processed and more and more and more and more.
22:49: Yeah.
22:50: Even like a good little break in between, like throughout the work day, you know, like sprinkling, I’ve been working for two hours.
22:56: Ok, I’m going to go step outside and you can immediately feel it like I been taking breaks during our recording.
23:00: I’m like, Sam, you want to go outside and get some sun and I’m like, ok, this is going to keep me going because it’s not, it’s energizing, it’s supporting me while we’re here recording.
23:09: And I’m so grateful for this space.
23:10: It’s also not outside.
23:12: Yeah.
23:12: Do you speak a little more to that too of the sun actual being?
23:16: Because there’s almost like there’s also like the spirit, if you really go into like the yogic spiritual perspective is that the sun is giving light codes and giving, you know, like actual downloads to us in energetic forms because we’re energetic beings.
23:29: But I’m curious your perspective on just with your y like, you know, yoga background and the history and research you did on this.
23:36: Like, what about that kind of topic of like the sun actually, you know, not just giving us like physical benefits but maybe spiritual or mental benefits as well.
23:45: Yeah.
23:46: So I think the biggest thing so the solar plexus is here, you know, in the gut.
23:51: And I think the biggest thing, I’ll probably go more, more science route.
23:55: I love it.
23:55: I’m not as tapped into like all the downloads.
23:59: Obviously, I feel like there are a few things that or specific things that the sun does give you like in terms of knowing, ok, I need to tap more into like, you know, my body or my mind or I need to move more or I need more time to rest.
24:12: Like I feel like it does give you those cues and when you need more energy.
24:15: So that’s how I am tapped into the sun.
24:18: But the solar Plexus, I talk about this a lot in yoga and I feel like a lot of my flows are around the core.
24:24: So creating a strong core.
24:26: But also knowing that like this is where a lot of like your intuition sits like I know third eyes intuition grounding.
24:33: But for your your solar Plexus, we have that brain gut connection.
24:38: So if we’re unsettled at all in our core and something doesn’t feel right, whether it’s in a relationship or a situation or, you know, a business partnership, we’ll kind of feel a little bit.
24:49: So that’s when we may feel like digestive issues or an upset stomach or something.
24:54: That feels like a little bit of like a knot in the tummy.
24:57: It’s because they were sending signals.
24:58: So we have that brain gut access constantly.
25:01: And I feel like that is my, my son, my core.
25:04: So when I don’t feel lightness in my belly, when it feels heavy or, you know, I mean, we can go as we were to like digestive issues, we talk about like, if you’re feeling like, you know, constipated or something feels like stuck energy pretty much.
25:22: That is something is wrong, like in your life, something’s a little unbalanced.
25:25: And if the mind can’t figure it out logically, it’s certainly the gut that is telling you.
25:30: So I feel like that’s like my little internal guiding light and I always tap back into my, into my gut.
25:35: Is there anything else before I like turn?
25:38: I ask you like one of our last questions.
25:40: Is there anything else that you want to share for the listeners that they would really sink in and really learn about the sun?
25:45: Anything else they find like it would be really important for them to hear?
25:48: Yeah, I think the biggest thing is when we do lose connection with the Sun, we lose connection with the self.
25:57: So I feel like the sun creates that awareness in us.
26:00: It allows us to come back to our early intuitive intelligence that we had as early humans and allows us to understand like what actually learns to make us feel our most authentic self.
26:12: So it’s there to guide us literally all the time, time above us.
26:17: So I feel like if you don’t feel connected, whether that’s in your, in your relationships or you don’t feel connected in your community or your life just feels a little bit unstable.
26:27: Know that every day the sun will be there.
26:30: It is always there to support you and to give you that energy, it always always is giving.
26:36: It’s truly incredible when you think about it, us as humans, we get depleted from energy.
26:39: We can’t keep, keep giving, but the sun is always there.
26:43: And I feel like it reminds me that maybe even if today was a hard day, you go watch the sunrise, you go watch the sunset, feel better.
26:51: Yeah, you do.
26:52: You always feel better and it’s the start of like when you go to the sunset, it’s my time to say, hey, what am I grateful for today?
26:58: What do I want to let go of what energy is not serving me?
27:02: Let that go, let the sun take it and then the next morning you’re rising with new energy and new beginning.
27:07: So it’s almost that, you know, cue the sunrise, like it’s the orchestrator of our life, our sense of time.
27:14: So, tapping back into that to tap back to yourself.
27:17: I mean, those sound like codes to me.
27:18: I don’t know.
27:20: Maybe you dropped it.
27:23: Yeah, I mean, I think those are the codes.
27:25: Maybe I just look at it in different ways.
27:27: But yeah, totally.
27:28: I mean, yeah, that’s what I think that’s amazing.
27:30: Thank you so good.
27:32: Well, we do have a final question to make this more about you.
27:35: OK.
27:36: Sure.
27:37: We always ask every guest at the end of the episode where in your life, do you feel like you could show up more in your fullest expression or what is the next era that you want to be fully expressed in?
27:49: Where in your life?
27:50: There’s no writer more fully expressed to be more.
27:56: I feel like that’s been my journey here with reading this book in the last few years of my life is trying any and every little thing that either sparks my curiosity or my interest.
28:08: So I think just continually tapping into that, whether it’s something small or seems like minute and you’re like, oh how it’s even going to impact my life?
28:17: I feel like trying every little tiny passion, curiosity.
28:22: You never know what it’s going to do, how it’s going to change the projection of your life.
28:26: So, you know, being unapologetically you, like, even if it doesn’t make sense to anyone else, I think for me it’s like continuing to forge that path and knowing that I have like, the right intuition and I’m following my gut.
28:39: Even if my loved ones, you know, tell me what is powered by the sun.
28:43: Yeah.
28:43: Exactly.
28:44: Exactly.
28:45: You know, rub the belly for good luck with the belly belly.
28:50: So, I think that’s my biggest thing is I feel like it’s all coming together and I just have, I have to keep that momentum and keep pulling in all my, you know, very eclectic mix and experiences that I’ve had in my life that there’s a purpose to it all.
29:03: It’s so beautiful because you’re saying like, literally just leaning into like whatever it calls you and seeing what gifts are created from that early on what opportunities come on the other side of it looks like for you.
29:13: Yeah.
29:14: And what you said at the beginning that like you have this very eclectic background, but it’s all brought to this moment.
29:18: I feel like that’s so relatable.
29:19: Like it’s so easy to think.
29:21: Like, why did I do that?
29:22: Like, why did I have that job or why?
29:24: And it all just information and awareness bringing you to like that, whatever that next step is.
29:31: Exactly.
29:32: Yeah.
29:32: So now I know why I was attracted to doing modern Pentathlon and then I wanted to, you know, go farming for three months and be dropped into the soil.
29:40: And then so fun farming.
29:42: That’s on my bucket list to learn.
29:44: You just want to be up on an island like a place and like, teach me everything.
29:48: What do I need to know?
29:48: I’m curious.
29:49: Pentathlon.
29:50: Pentathlon, I spent a lot of my life doing this.
29:54: It’s running, swimming, fencing, shooting and show jumping, like all in one day, like a triathlon, but like all five of those.
30:04: Yeah.
30:04: So triathlon, obviously there is a transition time.
30:07: So I grew up doing triathlons and say I was 12.
30:10: I’ve come back to that now in South Africa.
30:12: Or were you here in the US?
30:13: In the US?
30:14: Yes.
30:14: Yes, that was a thing there too.
30:17: Yeah, it is.
30:17: It’s huge.
30:18: I got into it because of my dad.
30:20: So big time athlete, running, swimming and then seeing shooting and horse riding, show jumping a combination.
30:28: It’s called the ultimate athlete.
30:30: You’re the complete athlete.
30:33: I feel I need to see a video of this.
30:35: It’s epic at all.
30:37: I do.
30:38: What parts of it do you miss?
30:39: So my favorite event was called the combined.
30:42: So it’s a running and the shooting.
30:44: So it’s four laps of 800 m and in between each you shoot.
30:49: So you try and get five shots as quick as possible, hitting the target target and then you can start your next lap.
30:55: So what are you shooting like a shotgun?
30:57: So I had a Pardini A PM pistol.
31:00: That probably means nonsense to you.
31:02: But it’s like a bullet gun converted to a laser for obviously safety.
31:07: And then of course, so that was my favorite.
31:15: You’re like a fan and you’re like, oh, fuck, I was thinking of like, when they throw the birds up and you’re like the clay pigeons gone everywhere.
31:23: Yeah, that would be next level the old days.
31:26: You, right.
31:27: Yeah, they, like, make the way.
31:34: So that was, that was by far my favorite because it was the last event too.
31:38: So I was like, ok to do it last and running is my favorite.
31:42: And horse jumping.
31:43: So you’re jumping over the show, jumping over the different levels of the postage is swimming, fencing, fencing.
31:51: Yeah, fencing, then swimming.
31:53: So you don’t have transition time.
31:56: Yeah, it’s kind of like a full day event.
31:59: So, like your time, it gets a little complicated but your time is added to your number of points and that stacks you in terms of like positioning to yours.
32:07: Do you do these events?
32:08: Gosh, when did I start?
32:09: So triathlon started when I was 12 when you were 12.
32:14: Yeah.
32:14: So, and that was just fun.
32:16: Like, you know, spring triathlons in Florida.
32:19: It’s great.
32:19: My dad would just sign me up and be like, oh, you have a race this weekend?
32:22: It was like Thursday.
32:23: And I’m like, ok, I guess I’m going, I feel like when you’re 12 though.
32:26: You could just go run you like, ok.
32:29: Yeah.
32:31: So I started that and then got into the sport of fencing.
32:35: I used to be a dancer and then my brother got into fencing and I was like, you know, this seems pretty cool and kind of like dancing.
32:43: It’s called physical chess because it’s always up here, it is such a mind game and you have to be so strategic with every single move.
32:50: So definitely, you know, ups and downs in terms of emotions, especially being younger as a teenager.
32:56: But yeah, and then I met my coach through a fencing competition and he was an Egyptian pentathlete.
33:02: Wow.
33:03: I’m glad I asked what that was because you said it casually and in my head, I bought triathlon.
33:07: But I’m like, no, it must be something different.
33:10: That’s something different.
33:12: It’s an amazing.
33:15: I didn’t even know that existed, which is really, yeah, it is.
33:18: It’s very beautiful.
33:19: And do you train like that?
33:20: Still?
33:21: Do you still not anymore?
33:23: Just because it is quite a lot to do.
33:24: It’s like a full time job.
33:26: But I used to up until like, you know, the third year in college, then I decided to pursue my masters instead of continue to train as the 10th year.
33:36: Yeah, but I still do triathlons.
33:37: I still do Iron Man triathlons and then some yoga and, and things like that on the side.
33:43: But you look amazing.
33:44: So makes sense.
33:46: And also like I can tell why you prioritize energy really good, right?
33:51: Because as that athlete, like you really do take care of your body, you really care about like what the foods that I’m eating, what makes me feel really good?
33:57: What’s also going to make me feel?
33:58: I show up at my best.
34:00: Yeah.
34:00: So I feel like all of that has just brought you where you are today, which is really cool.
34:05: I’m very lucky.
34:06: Very lucky.
34:07: And I feel like I also that to my parents, you know, they instilled a very strong brain and body awareness from a young age.
34:14: That’s amazing, unbeknownst at the time.
34:16: But now I’m like, wow, I did have a great level of awareness as a young child.
34:20: Yeah.
34:20: I think it gives you a capacity to like, do hard things too because those are all such challenging.
34:26: I think when you can push the physical body past your limits and you can push anything like you can take on any challenge.
34:32: It’s a good metaphor for life.
34:34: Yeah.
34:35: No, 100%.
34:36: And even today when cold plunging, you know, and everyone’s like, this is difficult and I’m like, you know what?
34:41: Actually my dad made me do this when I was, you know, 10 and 11, he’ll say generally let’s go jump on the lawn chairs, they’re filled with snow in Colorado.
34:49: And let’s see who can last the longest I was there in my bikini land in the snow and I’m like, oh, I can do it and then he’s like, alright, now run through the snow and like jump in the hot tub.
34:57: And I was like, I guess I was doing contrast therapy back in the day.
35:00: Just that without you even thinking about it.
35:02: That’s, that’s beautiful if you tell that story more often.
35:05: Yeah, you should.
35:06: That’s awesome.
35:07: I just found that picture too.
35:08: I think I had like, you know, those p stone tattoos on my belly and a limited two bikini.
35:18: Definitely cute.
35:19: You’re just in the cold plunge for like five minutes.
35:21: Everyone’s like, I can’t do it.
35:23: You’re just like, I don’t know what to tell you.
35:25: I know this has been me, I’ve done this my whole life.
35:28: I get it together.
35:30: I didn’t even make the connection because that was the first thing I did when I moved to San Diego.
35:33: First weekend with cold punch.
35:36: I went Josh, no, this was before breathe degree started with Tyler in his backyard.
35:43: And so I sat and I was like, oh, this is great.
35:45: And I was just chatting with, you know, the guy who made the tubs and he was all South African and I was like, this is wonderful.
35:51: And then Tyler was going, he was like, you guys, it’s been eight minutes, like get out of the tub and I’m like, oh, ok.
35:56: That’s amazing.
35:58: So, yeah, that’s awesome.
36:01: Wow.
36:02: I love that.
36:03: All right.
36:03: So Yeah, thank you so much for that.
36:06: What a pleasure coming on this Lake Dress podcast to speak all about the sun and literally bring your sunshine into the room.
36:12: I think it was such a pleasure getting to know you more also because I know you met in like in a more social setting.
36:18: But now we’re going to dive deeper into getting to know you has been so sweet and so amazing and I’m one so excited for what you’re going to take with this book and also whatever your next ping is because I feel like you have so much to give you.
36:31: Yeah, likewise and share where people can find you and maybe where also they can find your book.
36:37: Yes.
36:37: So my book is on Amazon and then it’s also on my website so Jen Hoffman dot com.
36:43: But yeah, I definitely promote it through social, through linkedin and all of that.
36:47: You want to hold it up to the camera right there because you’re on that one.
36:50: Yes.
36:51: So here’s becoming sunshine and then I always like to give people a little surprise.
36:57: So if you take off the jacket cover, I’m a sucker for a hard cover.
37:00: Me too is the little surprise.
37:03: So not just any old cloth cover.
37:05: So I did both designs.
37:07: So fun, little surprise.
37:08: That’s so beautiful.
37:09: I love that.
37:10: Yeah, so good.
37:12: So thank you so much.
37:13: Thank you guys.
37:14: Thank you ladies.
37:15: I love it.
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0:34: Hi guys, welcome back to the fully expressed podcast today.
0:38: We have such an incredible guest.
0:40: A friend of ours.
0:41: We’re so excited about.
0:42: Her name is Jenna Lee Hoffman.
0:44: She wrote an amazing book called Becoming Sunshine.
0:48: She is also a yoga teacher trainer and founder of a state of Sun yoga.
0:53: And yeah, is the author of this amazing book that we’re going to talk about among other things.
0:58: So maybe we talk a little bit and start the episode with how we know you and how we met you.
1:04: Yeah, through friends.
1:06: Yeah.
1:06: So it was so fun because we were just like, literally at one of our friend’s birthday parties, Josh’s Josh churches, which you might eventually get to see on the podcast as well.
1:13: I’m sure, I’m sure.
1:16: And at the, we caught you at the very end of the party, I just remember like connecting with you and then we dropped in and I was like, wait, she seemed so great.
1:24: And then when I got to learn a little bit more about what you’re doing with your book, as well as just the community that you’re building here in San Diego specifically.
1:31: I was like, it was just so fun and I thought you were such a light.
1:34: So I was like, we got to connect with her.
1:35: So she’s literally sunshine and you bring like really good energy.
1:38: So yeah, you’re just like this ray of light walking through a party.
1:41: I’m like, who is she?
1:42: And you had met my husband because you come, you do the yoga, you teach the yoga and Josh, he does is it and where people get together and they do yoga and cold plunging and breath work and all different types of things and networking.
1:58: And Austin just spoke so highly of you before you even knew who you were.
2:01: He was like the woman who taught the yoga was just so just had the best energy and so incredible.
2:06: So, yeah, I was like, that’s her.
2:08: I know, I know that’s So we’re so excited to have you here and then finding out about this book you wrote is just so in alignment of like what we talk about and how to become your fullest expression.
2:19: And the sun plays a very large part of that in our energy.
2:24: Yeah, I think what’s fun about that is like your book is called Becoming Sunshine.
2:28: And in a lot of ways, I think we’re all craving to feel like sunshine, to feel that happiness, to feel that light and that energy.
2:35: But you literally dive deep into the details of what it literally means to become sunshine and the importance of the sun before we get into it.
2:43: I want to know a little bit more about you and your story and how you found the importance of sun.
2:49: Yeah, definitely.
2:50: So it’s been a long journey.
2:52: I feel like becoming sunshine is a constant journey.
2:55: I even had to kind of pack up my book and say, OK, I can’t write anymore.
2:58: I can’t do any more research any of that, but it actually started when I moved to DC.
3:04: So I took a big job for a technology company, was working with the federal government.
3:09: So a lot of time inside which I wasn’t used to.
3:14: I was a endurance athlete.
3:16: I was training probably 6 to 7 hours every single day training in modern Pentathlon before in college.
3:22: So that was kind of my, I have a very eclectic background you will soon learn to hear.
3:27: But now I’ve realized it’s all played at a crucial point in writing this book and just understanding myself and connecting with others.
3:34: So when I moved to DC, I was working there day in day out, very stressful the job.
3:39: But you know, anything worth it takes hard work.
3:42: So that was my mindset.
3:43: But after about 3.5 years of working under fluorescent lights and not having that consistent routine and not seeing the sun and missing every single sunrise and sunset.
3:55: I think it just started to weigh on me and I didn’t know it at the time.
3:59: But when COVID hit, I ended up moving back to Florida to support my family and my grandparents.
4:05: And that was wonderful.
4:06: I got to be with my family all the time.
4:08: But over time, I realized how much I had missed the sun.
4:11: And even though it was COVID time, I’d pop out to get a little bed and then come back in to continue work.
4:17: And then when I realized like I couldn’t go back to DC in no way.
4:20: I wanted to move back there and continue what I was doing, ended up moving to San Diego and I, I didn’t really know much about it, but my dad told me generally you have to visit.
4:31: It’s so similar to Durban, South Africa, which is where I was born, where my parents were born and raised.
4:37: So I said, OK, you know, I’m going to give it a go, it’s much closer than moving back.
4:41: So when I came here, I just kind of realized what life was like and being in an environment that help you to thrive and not just having kind of that consistent day and day out.
4:51: So that’s kind of when the idea came to me when I realized how I was feeling.
4:56: And I asked myself, you know, why was this happening?
4:59: Why was I feeling so great, so much energy, so healthy.
5:04: And we’re so lucky.
5:05: We talk about this a lot.
5:06: It’s like we live in an echo chamber in San Diego a little bit because there’s, you’re just, there’s such an outside culture and it’s sunny most of the year and there’s a huge health and wellness culture here.
5:17: So speak a little bit to like some of the benefits that you saw like one what it was like, maybe look reflecting what you realized in the corporate environment that really impacted your health and then coming here like what that brought to you?
5:29: Yeah, definitely.
5:31: So I think the biggest thing when I was working in corporate, I had no flexibility.
5:35: I couldn’t listen to my body when it needed time to rest.
5:38: I couldn’t go out in the sunshine because I had an obligation to my client or important meetings that were more, you know, top security level clearance had to be inside and not outside walking in the park.
5:49: So I realized that was a big thing, flexibility.
5:52: And then also just like being in tune with the rhythms of nature.
5:56: I feel like San Diego allows you to do that and see that and having so much sunshine constantly, I you can’t not be smiling.
6:05: And so I just had all this energy all the time and making healthy decisions for eating was amazing.
6:12: And having energy to run every single day, like I kind of got back into that endurance athlete mindset that I had lost because I was inspired to, you know, run around the city and it was gloomy and it was windy and I remember I was doing one early morning run and I got hit by a gust of wind between buildings and I was like flying backwards.
6:31: Oh my God, I’ve been one of those.
6:35: She travels to DC a lot.
6:37: I do go to DC a lot and I think what I think DC is a great representation of is the fast paced.
6:42: It’s the go go go energy that maybe you aren’t someone that’s stuck inside all the time.
6:47: But you’re not also giving yourself permission to get as much sunlight as you can like, you know, I know there’s like been moments in my life being younger, I would sleep until 12, especially like high school.
6:59: I mean, I would sit up until super late, sit up until 12.
7:03: I could spend all day inside and I never really felt that connection.
7:07: I mean, I did because I played soccer in different sports but even just the common person can find themselves inside a lot, either just like watching TV, or working on a computer screen.
7:18: So maybe you’re not in a corporate environment.
7:21: I also think about this with like, conferences.
7:23: Like, when I go to, like, really large conferences, whether that is for, for business or for corporate or even for entrepreneurship, like, you know, there’s these conferences rooms and you’re in there for eight hours.
7:34: And I’m like, oh my God, oh my gosh, you can’t focus after you’re just like, zoned out.
7:41: Like, are we done yet?
7:42: And it’s so normal, like, it’s just like a part of our being.
7:45: And I remember like now I like Sprinkle in sun, you know, I’m like our break, I’m going straight outside, you know, whatever that looks like, just so I can get sunlight.
7:52: So I’d love to know a little bit, you know, I want to go two ways.
7:56: One, let’s talk about the importance of the sun.
7:58: And why is it so important for our human body and our biology to be in the sun and get sunlight and you know, there’s different parts of the sun, there’s sunrise, sunset and midday.
8:08: So maybe we can handle those.
8:09: Yes.
8:10: So I want to see where I want to start.
8:12: So the, let’s start from the very beginning.
8:15: So as human beings we evolved with the sun.
8:19: So in, in order to make sense of time and space and when a new day started, the sun was our cue when to rise and when to fall.
8:26: So that’s why our biological functions are so fine tuned with the sun because that’s how we made time of space.
8:32: That’s how we gave meaning.
8:34: That’s also a sense of like tradition and worshiping the sun.
8:37: Because as early humans, we were so much more attached to nature, we felt that energy and that warmth when we rose with the sun.
8:46: it like they thought it was a God, you know, early humans.
8:49: So like worshiping and really putting value on the sun.
8:52: We have lost that in today’s society.
8:55: So that is the most important thing.
8:57: We are biologically fine tuned and we place such an intense value on the sun that we again have lost today.
9:05: So with light and kind of harnessing the power of the sun in today’s world.
9:10: If we are inside a lot of the day, my best recommendation is to try and get that 30 minutes after sunrise and 30 minutes before sunset.
9:20: So that is the most important type of light that is important to get into your eyes.
9:24: So there’s no sunglasses, nothing like that.
9:26: And to feel on your skin, it’s actually what the red light therapy mimics.
9:31: So that’s the most important because it fine tunes your circadian rhythm.
9:34: It gives that little reset to say, hey, it’s a new day, start to wind down and everything in the body starts to kind of create that calmness, that peace.
9:43: So if we kind of rush past at certain times of the day and you know, we’re on our phones and that blue light is our wake up or caffeine, then you know, we’re kind of switching everything, it delays that melatonin production everything.
9:56: So that’s my best advice for the type of light.
10:00: And do you recommend red light for people or clients of yours that can’t maybe access the morning or evening?
10:07: Because I know Corinna uses that sometimes when I go to DC or if you just traveling, I, I love my red light.
10:13: I love my red light so much.
10:14: But I think especially in like not even just like winter, you know, some people right now in rainy seasons, it’s snowing.
10:24: I know you can still get sunlight when it’s snowing so you can talk about that.
10:27: What are some recommendations for people that don’t have access to sun?
10:30: Yeah, I think red light is a great opportunity.
10:33: , just to kind of get that sunlight in the morning and then in the evening because you know, nothing is something is better than nothing.
10:40: And then a lot of people when they it’s a cloudy day, for example, you know, we have June gloom and May gray here in San Diego, it’s still important to get outside during that time.
10:50: And the best thing that I can say is for example, when you’re inside, you have that fluorescent light we talked about and you know why it’s like kind of draining is because it’s a shorter amount of luck.
11:02: So light is kind of measured on lux.
11:05: So the strength and the quality of light so that fluorescent light is only giving you 100 lux.
11:11: Is that like wavelength or is that different?
11:13: Yes, it’s a little bit of wavelength, but it’s kind of quality of light.
11:17: I like sunlight if you’re outside for, you know, 1015 minutes, the human body needs about 200,000 of lux.
11:25: And so, so even when you’re outside in a cloudy day, that equals about still 50,000, you’re still getting that light, you’re still getting the benefits.
11:32: But you know, our fake light, you know, you can’t something that’s in nature.
11:36: We try as much as we can, you can’t recreate it.
11:42: So yeah, that’s why you feel that kind of like lethargy and conferences and inside working in the office, like there’s no quality of that light.
11:51: So there’s all different spectrums of light and there’s all different qualities and you’ll see that throughout different, you know, environments that you’re in.
11:59: But even though it’s not that bright sunshine that you can immediately visibly see and feel stronger, it’s still helping your biological functions even on a cloudy day, I would love your opinion on like, why do we still crave lights like this.
12:13: So like, you know, some people are addicted to their phones, they look at their blue light or they love the screens or they love video games.
12:19: Like what is that kind of light doing to our human biology?
12:22: And why are we choosing that over the sun?
12:25: Well, I think there’s a different component at play here.
12:28: So I think it’s more that dopamine addiction like those video games like getting to the next level like it’s giving you something, you know, on social media or yeah, it’s like that dopamine addiction.
12:40: So I think there’s something else at play and how does it deplete you?
12:43: I know it just not enough locks but how else does it?
12:45: So with the natural sunlight, what’s happening when the rays hit your skin?
12:51: It’s actually producing vitamin D and this is different than vitamin D that you get from food.
12:56: So this helps to like recharge your circadian rhythm.
13:00: It helps to indicate to your gut that, hey, like we’ve, you know, we’re creating green and leptin that also happens when you don’t get enough sleep.
13:07: Those hormones are not created in your stomach.
13:10: So when people are tired or they haven’t got enough sleep or enough sun, they don’t have that indication of, hey, I’m satisfied or hey, I’m hungry, those have not even been created when you don’t have enough sleep.
13:22: So people, they’re looking for energy because they haven’t got sunlight.
13:25: They haven’t got, you know, enough sleep.
13:27: So then they turn to food and normally when you don’t have those two created in your, in your gut and you’re going to turn for the quick energy.
13:34: So carbohydrate in carbs.
13:38: So then you’re looking for all these other sources and you’re never getting satisfied because you don’t have the hormones to be creative, to be satisfied.
13:45: And also it’s not what your body actually wants.
13:48: That makes so much sense.
13:50: Yeah.
13:51: So that’s, that’s one of my biggest advice is in the book too.
13:55: When we’re talking about like nutrition and sleep, even if you don’t get enough sleep, don’t go for the carbs and sugar.
14:01: Like it’s your body trying to get that quick fix.
14:04: And I feel like as humans these days, we always want that immediate gratification that what do you send them to instead?
14:09: More like protein and yeah, and vegetables.
14:12: Something that’s first of all anti-inflammatory because you haven’t got enough sleep or enough sun.
14:17: So like especially my body and I’m genetically disposed to have a little bit more inflammation in my body.
14:23: So anything that’s inflammation reduction.
14:25: So healthy spices, you know, turmeric foods that are like light leafy greens and something that is like more soothing for the gut.
14:33: So, you know, nothing too like acidic.
14:35: That makes sense.
14:36: Yeah, I was gonna ask another question as to like when you were learning about the sun and you’re researching so much about the Sun.
14:42: What was like an interesting fact that you were like, aha moment you’re like, oh, that makes sense or something that, like you didn’t think would make sense.
14:51: , well, there’s so many, but I think I’m gonna actually pull it up in my book because there’s one section when I talk about the, the history of the Sun and it’s what the God Apollo is indicative of the Sun and he has a couple of different meanings and the way that the Egyptians gave meaning to Apollo, it was very interesting because the sun meant two things for them.
15:17: And in today’s world, let me see where it is.
15:22: Yes, Apollo was known as the God of medicine and healing as the God of sun and light.
15:29: His unique combination of qualities, demonstrates our ancestors more intuitive intelligence about more than our modern intelligence.
15:36: So he was looked at as not only the God of medicine and healing, but also the God as sun and light.
15:43: So this is important because when we had the big industrial revolution, we saw so many Children that you know, were struggling with different formations in their their spine.
15:55: So they had soft bones, it was called rickets.
15:57: And the reason being so is because everyone is moving from outside of the countryside into the city, smog, no light, all of that.
16:06: And so a lot of doctors prescript that Children got sun baths on top of the roof.
16:14: So they were moving all the hospital beds.
16:16: And this was found by one doctor actually in the countryside because he said, hey, all these Children who are working on the farms, they’re perfect.
16:23: They have strong bones.
16:24: But all these Children in the city, you know, their spines are deformed.
16:27: They don’t have any energy.
16:29: And so he had this radical idea of putting them on top of the roof to get sun.
16:34: Yeah, that is incredible.
16:37: And they were cured.
16:38: So guess what our answers to new this the God of healing and medicine, the sunlight is medicine.
16:44: And a lot of times we forget the simplest things that are so accessible to everyone that I think is the beauty of the sun is that everyone has access to it.
16:52: You know, it’s no one’s excluded.
16:55: You have to pay for it, you don’t have to pay for it.
16:57: You don’t have to be in this certain area.
17:00: You know, obviously some places have more sunlight than others, but everyone has access.
17:04: And I know you also coach people in like nutrition and food.
17:07: So how does that play a role?
17:08: Because I know we could talk about plants and photosynthesis and like the energy they carry.
17:13: Like how do you guide people who maybe don’t know anything in that arena around food and sun and that like, what’s the connection there?
17:22: Yeah.
17:22: So my biggest advice is trying to cut out as much processed food as possible or hopefully nothing at all and then sourcing food that is as locally grown as possible.
17:32: So you don’t have those preservatives.
17:35: There’s no transportation and you’re also eating seasonally because the biggest thing to like will experience a little bit of seasonal depression as it gets, you know, more winter and fall.
17:44: So syncing up more of the seasons allows your body to also ease into that.
17:48: So the foods that are, you know, in season have the most energy because they’re supposed to be grown at that time.
17:55: So then you can pull different sources of energy from the food in that way.
17:59: And you know, maybe the sun isn’t as strong, so you’re not getting as much energy from there.
18:03: So finding that seasonal, you know, direction with food is great.
18:07: But the biggest thing with my clients is everyone is so different.
18:10: And what I talk about in my book is I’m not saying you need to be a keto or you need to follow the Mediterranean diet or, you know, being vegetarian is the best or being a carnivore is the best.
18:19: I don’t say any of that.
18:20: I just explained the benefits of each and then experiment with them and see what best feels, what’s what feels best for your body.
18:29: So that’s what I’ve experienced, you know, I’ve gone and said, OK, what does it feel like to eat, you know, mostly greens or what does it feel like to eat?
18:35: You know, completely, you know, food from this area, Mediterranean, I’ve tried it all and then a kind of self diagnosing and a little bit and say, how do I feel?
18:44: So generating that deeper level of self awareness, I help to coach my clients on and then, you know, obviously cutting out a lot of like the sugar and processed foods, but everyone’s so different and everyone’s body is gonna respond differently based on your genetics based on, you know, what you’re doing in life.
19:01: So if you are more of an athlete or so it changes from person to person does it also change depending on where you live because I’m wondering like someone that lives in New York that doesn’t get as much sunshine compared to here in San Diego, we get a lot of sun.
19:14: Are there different foods that can support them because they’re receiving less energy from the sun?
19:19: Yeah.
19:19: So like I said, you know, the vitamin D is different from the food versus the sun, but it is great to supplement with, you know, foods that are higher in vitamin D, a little bit more protein.
19:30: There’s omega three.
19:31: So supporting the brain too, getting those key foods like blueberry salmon and key nuts.
19:36: You know, there’s a reason a walnut looks like a brand because it’s supportive of the brain.
19:42: So I think that’s important to tune into those specific foods.
19:45: It’s so good.
19:46: And in your book too, I think you and I may get the percentage wrong.
19:50: But it’s like 60% of Americans are deficient in vitamin D.
19:54: Is it 60 or 70?
19:57: It was a high amount.
19:58: It’s actually 80% because it changes, you know, every day.
20:04: Majority of human beings.
20:06: Yeah.
20:07: Americans and I actually experienced that in the city.
20:10: I became vitamin D deficient.
20:12: I’ve tested, both of us have tested low for vitamin D.
20:14: I’m taking vitamin D right now and I’m in the all the time.
20:17: But something that Nick has taught me and maybe you can confirm that because I have more melatonin melanin in my skin.
20:23: It’s harder for me to actually absorb vitamin D.
20:26: So, like, because I’m darker, which everyone always thinks that because I’m darker and I get more tan, like, you have so much vitamin D, what are you talking about?
20:33: It actually gets in the way of me actually absorbing the vitamin D.
20:35: Is that fair?
20:36: Yes.
20:37: So you actually need longer time in the sun.
20:39: I was just going to ask, like, I, yeah, me too.
20:42: I think I could do that if I could work outside all day.
20:45: Like, at the job I would, yeah, I think, oh, yeah, I mean, I just try to do that now.
20:51: I take my computer and I’m like, I got to work but let me counteract whatever I’m doing here at the same time.
20:57: I can’t wait to invent like a really cool, like, cover of the sun that comes right.
21:03: Through over the computer getting it and my arms are still getting it.
21:08: Lights are outside.
21:10: I know I still doing it for this.
21:11: Like every part of me needs.
21:15: But, yeah, to your point, you know, because I think people that are lighter in skin tone, they actually absorb vitamin D much faster.
21:22: Yeah.
21:22: So for example, someone who has less melon in their skin, I speak about this as well.
21:27: Only about, you know, 30 minutes in the sun.
21:29: You’ll get what you need for vitamin T versus you may need up to 2 to 3 hours prescribed.
21:38: No, which is great because like, so I’ll go to the beach and I’ll be like, I could lay at the beach for like four or five hours.
21:43: I still haven’t received what I need.
21:46: I can sit there for hours.
21:47: Nick’s like, I’m two hours an hour and he’s a little bit lighter than me.
21:50: He definitely gets, he’s probably a little bit more like you, I would say.
21:54: But for me, I’m like, no, babe, can we please stay like two more hours?
21:57: I need.
21:57: Yeah, especially when I’m like rushing or I haven’t grounded or I haven’t received a lot of sunlight.
22:02: I, I just go and sit like a potato and I’m just like, I’m going no serious.
22:08: And you’re right.
22:09: So you have that intuitive intelligence, you know.
22:11: So I think when we’re settled and we’re slowed down, we know the answers to things.
22:15: We know what we need.
22:16: We just have to stop and take a moment to actually listen to our bodies.
22:20: I feel like that’s such a big theme in our, in our podcast guest.
22:24: We’re all kind of coming back.
22:25: I love hearing it in so many different ways from so many different people and perspectives.
22:29: But yeah, it is like about tabby, we’re learning to come back into ourselves even when you’re talking about food and how, ok, maybe for this person, they need more animal protein and this person needs more vegetables or whatever the balance is.
22:42: But I love it.
22:42: Like, the consensus is less sugar, less processed to no processed and more and more and more and more.
22:49: Yeah.
22:50: Even like a good little break in between, like throughout the work day, you know, like sprinkling, I’ve been working for two hours.
22:56: Ok, I’m going to go step outside and you can immediately feel it like I been taking breaks during our recording.
23:00: I’m like, Sam, you want to go outside and get some sun and I’m like, ok, this is going to keep me going because it’s not, it’s energizing, it’s supporting me while we’re here recording.
23:09: And I’m so grateful for this space.
23:10: It’s also not outside.
23:12: Yeah.
23:12: Do you speak a little more to that too of the sun actual being?
23:16: Because there’s almost like there’s also like the spirit, if you really go into like the yogic spiritual perspective is that the sun is giving light codes and giving, you know, like actual downloads to us in energetic forms because we’re energetic beings.
23:29: But I’m curious your perspective on just with your y like, you know, yoga background and the history and research you did on this.
23:36: Like, what about that kind of topic of like the sun actually, you know, not just giving us like physical benefits but maybe spiritual or mental benefits as well.
23:45: Yeah.
23:46: So I think the biggest thing so the solar plexus is here, you know, in the gut.
23:51: And I think the biggest thing, I’ll probably go more, more science route.
23:55: I love it.
23:55: I’m not as tapped into like all the downloads.
23:59: Obviously, I feel like there are a few things that or specific things that the sun does give you like in terms of knowing, ok, I need to tap more into like, you know, my body or my mind or I need to move more or I need more time to rest.
24:12: Like I feel like it does give you those cues and when you need more energy.
24:15: So that’s how I am tapped into the sun.
24:18: But the solar Plexus, I talk about this a lot in yoga and I feel like a lot of my flows are around the core.
24:24: So creating a strong core.
24:26: But also knowing that like this is where a lot of like your intuition sits like I know third eyes intuition grounding.
24:33: But for your your solar Plexus, we have that brain gut connection.
24:38: So if we’re unsettled at all in our core and something doesn’t feel right, whether it’s in a relationship or a situation or, you know, a business partnership, we’ll kind of feel a little bit.
24:49: So that’s when we may feel like digestive issues or an upset stomach or something.
24:54: That feels like a little bit of like a knot in the tummy.
24:57: It’s because they were sending signals.
24:58: So we have that brain gut access constantly.
25:01: And I feel like that is my, my son, my core.
25:04: So when I don’t feel lightness in my belly, when it feels heavy or, you know, I mean, we can go as we were to like digestive issues, we talk about like, if you’re feeling like, you know, constipated or something feels like stuck energy pretty much.
25:22: That is something is wrong, like in your life, something’s a little unbalanced.
25:25: And if the mind can’t figure it out logically, it’s certainly the gut that is telling you.
25:30: So I feel like that’s like my little internal guiding light and I always tap back into my, into my gut.
25:35: Is there anything else before I like turn?
25:38: I ask you like one of our last questions.
25:40: Is there anything else that you want to share for the listeners that they would really sink in and really learn about the sun?
25:45: Anything else they find like it would be really important for them to hear?
25:48: Yeah, I think the biggest thing is when we do lose connection with the Sun, we lose connection with the self.
25:57: So I feel like the sun creates that awareness in us.
26:00: It allows us to come back to our early intuitive intelligence that we had as early humans and allows us to understand like what actually learns to make us feel our most authentic self.
26:12: So it’s there to guide us literally all the time, time above us.
26:17: So I feel like if you don’t feel connected, whether that’s in your, in your relationships or you don’t feel connected in your community or your life just feels a little bit unstable.
26:27: Know that every day the sun will be there.
26:30: It is always there to support you and to give you that energy, it always always is giving.
26:36: It’s truly incredible when you think about it, us as humans, we get depleted from energy.
26:39: We can’t keep, keep giving, but the sun is always there.
26:43: And I feel like it reminds me that maybe even if today was a hard day, you go watch the sunrise, you go watch the sunset, feel better.
26:51: Yeah, you do.
26:52: You always feel better and it’s the start of like when you go to the sunset, it’s my time to say, hey, what am I grateful for today?
26:58: What do I want to let go of what energy is not serving me?
27:02: Let that go, let the sun take it and then the next morning you’re rising with new energy and new beginning.
27:07: So it’s almost that, you know, cue the sunrise, like it’s the orchestrator of our life, our sense of time.
27:14: So, tapping back into that to tap back to yourself.
27:17: I mean, those sound like codes to me.
27:18: I don’t know.
27:20: Maybe you dropped it.
27:23: Yeah, I mean, I think those are the codes.
27:25: Maybe I just look at it in different ways.
27:27: But yeah, totally.
27:28: I mean, yeah, that’s what I think that’s amazing.
27:30: Thank you so good.
27:32: Well, we do have a final question to make this more about you.
27:35: OK.
27:36: Sure.
27:37: We always ask every guest at the end of the episode where in your life, do you feel like you could show up more in your fullest expression or what is the next era that you want to be fully expressed in?
27:49: Where in your life?
27:50: There’s no writer more fully expressed to be more.
27:56: I feel like that’s been my journey here with reading this book in the last few years of my life is trying any and every little thing that either sparks my curiosity or my interest.
28:08: So I think just continually tapping into that, whether it’s something small or seems like minute and you’re like, oh how it’s even going to impact my life?
28:17: I feel like trying every little tiny passion, curiosity.
28:22: You never know what it’s going to do, how it’s going to change the projection of your life.
28:26: So, you know, being unapologetically you, like, even if it doesn’t make sense to anyone else, I think for me it’s like continuing to forge that path and knowing that I have like, the right intuition and I’m following my gut.
28:39: Even if my loved ones, you know, tell me what is powered by the sun.
28:43: Yeah.
28:43: Exactly.
28:44: Exactly.
28:45: You know, rub the belly for good luck with the belly belly.
28:50: So, I think that’s my biggest thing is I feel like it’s all coming together and I just have, I have to keep that momentum and keep pulling in all my, you know, very eclectic mix and experiences that I’ve had in my life that there’s a purpose to it all.
29:03: It’s so beautiful because you’re saying like, literally just leaning into like whatever it calls you and seeing what gifts are created from that early on what opportunities come on the other side of it looks like for you.
29:13: Yeah.
29:14: And what you said at the beginning that like you have this very eclectic background, but it’s all brought to this moment.
29:18: I feel like that’s so relatable.
29:19: Like it’s so easy to think.
29:21: Like, why did I do that?
29:22: Like, why did I have that job or why?
29:24: And it all just information and awareness bringing you to like that, whatever that next step is.
29:31: Exactly.
29:32: Yeah.
29:32: So now I know why I was attracted to doing modern Pentathlon and then I wanted to, you know, go farming for three months and be dropped into the soil.
29:40: And then so fun farming.
29:42: That’s on my bucket list to learn.
29:44: You just want to be up on an island like a place and like, teach me everything.
29:48: What do I need to know?
29:48: I’m curious.
29:49: Pentathlon.
29:50: Pentathlon, I spent a lot of my life doing this.
29:54: It’s running, swimming, fencing, shooting and show jumping, like all in one day, like a triathlon, but like all five of those.
30:04: Yeah.
30:04: So triathlon, obviously there is a transition time.
30:07: So I grew up doing triathlons and say I was 12.
30:10: I’ve come back to that now in South Africa.
30:12: Or were you here in the US?
30:13: In the US?
30:14: Yes.
30:14: Yes, that was a thing there too.
30:17: Yeah, it is.
30:17: It’s huge.
30:18: I got into it because of my dad.
30:20: So big time athlete, running, swimming and then seeing shooting and horse riding, show jumping a combination.
30:28: It’s called the ultimate athlete.
30:30: You’re the complete athlete.
30:33: I feel I need to see a video of this.
30:35: It’s epic at all.
30:37: I do.
30:38: What parts of it do you miss?
30:39: So my favorite event was called the combined.
30:42: So it’s a running and the shooting.
30:44: So it’s four laps of 800 m and in between each you shoot.
30:49: So you try and get five shots as quick as possible, hitting the target target and then you can start your next lap.
30:55: So what are you shooting like a shotgun?
30:57: So I had a Pardini A PM pistol.
31:00: That probably means nonsense to you.
31:02: But it’s like a bullet gun converted to a laser for obviously safety.
31:07: And then of course, so that was my favorite.
31:15: You’re like a fan and you’re like, oh, fuck, I was thinking of like, when they throw the birds up and you’re like the clay pigeons gone everywhere.
31:23: Yeah, that would be next level the old days.
31:26: You, right.
31:27: Yeah, they, like, make the way.
31:34: So that was, that was by far my favorite because it was the last event too.
31:38: So I was like, ok to do it last and running is my favorite.
31:42: And horse jumping.
31:43: So you’re jumping over the show, jumping over the different levels of the postage is swimming, fencing, fencing.
31:51: Yeah, fencing, then swimming.
31:53: So you don’t have transition time.
31:56: Yeah, it’s kind of like a full day event.
31:59: So, like your time, it gets a little complicated but your time is added to your number of points and that stacks you in terms of like positioning to yours.
32:07: Do you do these events?
32:08: Gosh, when did I start?
32:09: So triathlon started when I was 12 when you were 12.
32:14: Yeah.
32:14: So, and that was just fun.
32:16: Like, you know, spring triathlons in Florida.
32:19: It’s great.
32:19: My dad would just sign me up and be like, oh, you have a race this weekend?
32:22: It was like Thursday.
32:23: And I’m like, ok, I guess I’m going, I feel like when you’re 12 though.
32:26: You could just go run you like, ok.
32:29: Yeah.
32:31: So I started that and then got into the sport of fencing.
32:35: I used to be a dancer and then my brother got into fencing and I was like, you know, this seems pretty cool and kind of like dancing.
32:43: It’s called physical chess because it’s always up here, it is such a mind game and you have to be so strategic with every single move.
32:50: So definitely, you know, ups and downs in terms of emotions, especially being younger as a teenager.
32:56: But yeah, and then I met my coach through a fencing competition and he was an Egyptian pentathlete.
33:02: Wow.
33:03: I’m glad I asked what that was because you said it casually and in my head, I bought triathlon.
33:07: But I’m like, no, it must be something different.
33:10: That’s something different.
33:12: It’s an amazing.
33:15: I didn’t even know that existed, which is really, yeah, it is.
33:18: It’s very beautiful.
33:19: And do you train like that?
33:20: Still?
33:21: Do you still not anymore?
33:23: Just because it is quite a lot to do.
33:24: It’s like a full time job.
33:26: But I used to up until like, you know, the third year in college, then I decided to pursue my masters instead of continue to train as the 10th year.
33:36: Yeah, but I still do triathlons.
33:37: I still do Iron Man triathlons and then some yoga and, and things like that on the side.
33:43: But you look amazing.
33:44: So makes sense.
33:46: And also like I can tell why you prioritize energy really good, right?
33:51: Because as that athlete, like you really do take care of your body, you really care about like what the foods that I’m eating, what makes me feel really good?
33:57: What’s also going to make me feel?
33:58: I show up at my best.
34:00: Yeah.
34:00: So I feel like all of that has just brought you where you are today, which is really cool.
34:05: I’m very lucky.
34:06: Very lucky.
34:07: And I feel like I also that to my parents, you know, they instilled a very strong brain and body awareness from a young age.
34:14: That’s amazing, unbeknownst at the time.
34:16: But now I’m like, wow, I did have a great level of awareness as a young child.
34:20: Yeah.
34:20: I think it gives you a capacity to like, do hard things too because those are all such challenging.
34:26: I think when you can push the physical body past your limits and you can push anything like you can take on any challenge.
34:32: It’s a good metaphor for life.
34:34: Yeah.
34:35: No, 100%.
34:36: And even today when cold plunging, you know, and everyone’s like, this is difficult and I’m like, you know what?
34:41: Actually my dad made me do this when I was, you know, 10 and 11, he’ll say generally let’s go jump on the lawn chairs, they’re filled with snow in Colorado.
34:49: And let’s see who can last the longest I was there in my bikini land in the snow and I’m like, oh, I can do it and then he’s like, alright, now run through the snow and like jump in the hot tub.
34:57: And I was like, I guess I was doing contrast therapy back in the day.
35:00: Just that without you even thinking about it.
35:02: That’s, that’s beautiful if you tell that story more often.
35:05: Yeah, you should.
35:06: That’s awesome.
35:07: I just found that picture too.
35:08: I think I had like, you know, those p stone tattoos on my belly and a limited two bikini.
35:18: Definitely cute.
35:19: You’re just in the cold plunge for like five minutes.
35:21: Everyone’s like, I can’t do it.
35:23: You’re just like, I don’t know what to tell you.
35:25: I know this has been me, I’ve done this my whole life.
35:28: I get it together.
35:30: I didn’t even make the connection because that was the first thing I did when I moved to San Diego.
35:33: First weekend with cold punch.
35:36: I went Josh, no, this was before breathe degree started with Tyler in his backyard.
35:43: And so I sat and I was like, oh, this is great.
35:45: And I was just chatting with, you know, the guy who made the tubs and he was all South African and I was like, this is wonderful.
35:51: And then Tyler was going, he was like, you guys, it’s been eight minutes, like get out of the tub and I’m like, oh, ok.
35:56: That’s amazing.
35:58: So, yeah, that’s awesome.
36:01: Wow.
36:02: I love that.
36:03: All right.
36:03: So Yeah, thank you so much for that.
36:06: What a pleasure coming on this Lake Dress podcast to speak all about the sun and literally bring your sunshine into the room.
36:12: I think it was such a pleasure getting to know you more also because I know you met in like in a more social setting.
36:18: But now we’re going to dive deeper into getting to know you has been so sweet and so amazing and I’m one so excited for what you’re going to take with this book and also whatever your next ping is because I feel like you have so much to give you.
36:31: Yeah, likewise and share where people can find you and maybe where also they can find your book.
36:37: Yes.
36:37: So my book is on Amazon and then it’s also on my website so Jen Hoffman dot com.
36:43: But yeah, I definitely promote it through social, through linkedin and all of that.
36:47: You want to hold it up to the camera right there because you’re on that one.
36:50: Yes.
36:51: So here’s becoming sunshine and then I always like to give people a little surprise.
36:57: So if you take off the jacket cover, I’m a sucker for a hard cover.
37:00: Me too is the little surprise.
37:03: So not just any old cloth cover.
37:05: So I did both designs.
37:07: So fun, little surprise.
37:08: That’s so beautiful.
37:09: I love that.
37:10: Yeah, so good.
37:12: So thank you so much.
37:13: Thank you guys.
37:14: Thank you ladies.
37:15: I love it.
37:16: Thank you so much for tuning in.
37:18: We really appreciate you being here.
37:20: If you enjoyed this episode, we’d be grateful if you could leave us a review and share it with a friend.
37:25: Also, we would love to hear from you, reach out to us on Instagram and let us know where you feel inspired to express yourself as you embrace this next era.
37:34: We are here to support you and encourage you, see you on the next one.
In this episode with Jenna Leigh Hoffmann, we dove into the benefits of the sun. Here’s what we covered:
- The benefits of sunlight
- The importance of sunlight for your circadian rhythms
- The spectrum and qualities of light that we experience every day
- How light impacts you as a human
- Creating deeper self-awareness to connect with what foods work best for you
- What to do when you don’t have access to as much sunlight due to your location?
Links & Resources
- Jenna’s book, Becoming Sunshine, is a must-read! Grab it on Amazon or her website: jennaleighhoffmann.com.
- Want to glow like Jenna? Check out how you can work together.
- Connect with Jenna on Instagram.
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